[Mishmash] World Trade Center

Fri Aug 11 09:35:12 CDT 2006

I don't see the UN as ever having had credibility beyond handing out food and medical supplies . . . name one conflict the Un actually resolved.

I also don't think the middle east can be "fixed". It is, after all, the result of a British plan to cut the region up into small countries based on not much more than their desire to cut the place up into small countries, coupled with a resident population stuck in a culture and mind set circa 1300.

Hugh

----- Original Message -----
From: Ingrid & Eric Holzman <ieholzman at verizon.net>
Date: Friday, August 11, 2006 10:00 am
Subject: Re: [Mishmash] World Trade Center

> I don't disagree that Hezbollah is essentially impossible to 
> negotiate with, 
> but violence begets violence.  And I may be Jewish, but I don't 
> feel that 
> Israel is entirely innocent either.  They have been at some kind 
> of war for 
> a very long time.  They haven't gotten the message either that 
> violence 
> won't solve the problem.  The U.N. has lost a great deal of 
> credibililty, 
> but they seem to look to us and how are we handling things in 
> Iraq?  Not 
> good.  We want everyone to be a democracy, like us, but who are we 
> to impose 
> our will upon another?  We have greater issues in our own 
> backyard.  We have 
> too many kids who can't make the grade and are failing in school.  
> Shouldn't 
> we try to fix that before we try to fix another nation?  What 
> about the 
> working poor?  The people who truly work hard, but can barely make 
> ends 
> meet.  I'm not talking about the "illegals" GW wants to remove 
> from our 
> country, but those who aren't earning a decent wage.  Our minimum 
> wage in 
> this country stinks!  It doesn't work with the cost of living -- 
> the TRUE 
> cost of living -- not the inflated one in the big cities.
> 
> Getting back to your points, I do agree that the people who are 
> involved in 
> the mideast fighting as well as yesterday's terrorist plot are 
> extremists, 
> but I can't agree that we always need to resort to violence that 
> ultimately 
> affects innocent people in the crossfire.
> 
> Ingrid
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Fred Atkinson" <fatkinson at mishmash.com>
> To: "Mishmash" <mishmash at mishmash.net>
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 9:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mishmash] World Trade Center
> 
> 
> > Ingrid,
> >
> >    If you believe that Hezbollah can be successfully negotiated 
> with, you
> > need to rethink.  They are the extremists Arabs who believe 
> (like Hitler
> > did) that the Jews should be exterminated.  And they are 
> determined to do
> > that.
> >
> >    Sadly, the only solution I see is a military one in which 
> Hezbollah> would take massive losses.  Israel will need help to do 
> that.  But the U. 
> > N.
> > will sit and twiddle their thumbs.
> >
> >    I used to believe in the U.N., but they've lost any 
> credibility.  They
> > sit on their thumbs, provide delays to taking action that needs 
> to be 
> > taken,
> > and ultimately get nothing accomplished.  If they agree to a 
> > multi-national
> > force to deal with this, I'm going to be very surprised.
> >
> >    Diplomacy with terrorists is like trying to rehabilitate a 
> psychotic> serial killer to rejoin society.  I'm very sorry to say 
> there are people 
> > in
> > the world who's signature on a treaty isn't worth the cost of 
> the paper it
> > is printed on.  But that describes terrorists exactly.
> >
> >    They don't have any respect for life, other than the survival 
> of their
> > race and they are willing to die and kill a massive number of 
> innocent> people to achieve that.  They'd come over here and 
> extinguish innocent 
> > lives
> > in a split second.  Look at the cowardly way they use their own 
> civilians 
> > as
> > human shields.  And then when their own innocent civilians get 
> killed> because they placed them in harm's way, they use it 
> against Israel and the
> > U. S. in the world community.
> >
> >    Why doesn't someone call what they are doing exactly what it 
> is?  That
> > word is genocide.
> >
> >    These people want to stay in the past and keep their 
> followers ignorant
> > and uneducated so they can fill their minds with this dribble 
> about how
> > Allah wants to kill infidels including Jews (Israel) and 
> Americans. 
> > That's
> > the not a god that I know and believe in.
> >
> >    No offense intended to anyone of Japanese ancestry when I say 
> this, but
> > we took drastic action to put an end to their type of war.  I am not
> > advocating using nuclear weapons, but nothing short of a 
> devasting 
> > military
> > defeat is going to stop terrorists.
> >
> >    The Japanese had to rebuild and they became a civilized 
> industrial> nation.  I'm sorry to say that I think that may be the 
> only solution.
> >
> >    Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> >                                                                  
>  Fred
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Ingrid & Eric Holzman" <ieholzman at verizon.net>
> > To: "Mishmash" <mishmash at mishmash.net>
> > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 7:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Mishmash] World Trade Center
> >
> >
> >> I'm not sure I fully gather your message, Hugh.  Are you saying 
> that we
> >> shouldn't try to negotiate peace and diplomacy as in the case 
> of Israel
> > and
> >> Hezbollah?  Do you think it's best to let the bombs fall and 
> whoever 
> >> comes
> >> out standing in the end is the winner?
> >>
> >> I agree that there is a group that definitely hates Americans.  
> I also
> > think
> >> that yesterday's plan wasn't necessarily the whole plan.  I 
> can't help 
> >> but
> >> feel that there's more in the wings that we are missing --- 
> being 
> >> diverted
> >> from seeing as we raise our fists for foiling this plot in 
> England.  It
> >> didn't surprise me to hear that a woman was involved.  It's the 
> new wave
> > of
> >> things to come.  Children as the bombers will be next.
> >>
> >> Ingrid
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: <hgigante at optonline.net>
> >> To: "Mishmash" <mishmash at mishmash.net>
> >> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 5:06 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Mishmash] World Trade Center
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > The talk yesterday and today scares me, especially those who 
> still 
> >> > think
> >> > talk, negotiating, and diplomacy will work.
> >> >
> >> > Truth is there are a whole bunch of people who want us dead. 
> They want
> > us
> >> > dead because we are a modern society and don't care if "we" 
> are adults,
> >> > children, or whatever.
> >> >
> >> > Those who say yesterday was proof our current approachis not 
> working>> > forget our current approach stopped the plan, and has 
> stopped all major
> >> > attacks for five years now . . . in part by keeping the nuts busy
> > fighting
> >> > it out in Iraq.
> >> >
> >> > Hugh
> >> >
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