[Mishmash] Can it really be?????

Mon Jan 7 20:42:15 CST 2008

I've never in my life been able to understand the  governments role in saving 
us from ourselves.  Doesn't anyone in politics  smoke?  God knows they drink. 
 So you won't see a ban on bars.   Only smoking in them.  

I'm one of these rare people who has never smoked  and I don't know why I've 
never smoked.   My entire family  smoked.  Mother, father (who has a 
smoldering cigar etched on his  tombstone), 3 sisters (one who's a nun), 2 brothers and 
nearly every  friend.  Growing up I thought EVERY home had a smoke haze on 
all the  windows in their houses.  And now at 56, if second hand smoke is 
dangerous  it's much too late for me.  So.........smoke'em if you  gottem.

Gale
(cough cough)

_cbower at frontiernet.net_ (mailto:cbower at frontiernet.net)   writes:

let me be clear once more - this started because of a state law  forbidding 
smoking anywhere in the whole damn state.  i never felt  discriminated against 
having to go to smoking areas.  i never felt  discriminated against if i had 
to go outside to smoke - even in -0  weather.  i never felt discriminated 
against not being able to smoke in  offices - that was the decision of the business 
OWNER.  i never felt  discriminated against not being able to smoke in public 
buildings - i could  always go outside, but ususally didn't bother with 
smoking unles someone else  wanted to.  BUT - when our damn governor (who i didn't 
vote for and for  some reason no one will admit to voting for - guess it was 
just people in  chicago) decides that there will be no smoking anyplace, 
private businesses,  private restaurants, private bars, private clubs (where people 
pay dues to  belong), and no smoking 15 feet from any door or window (that 
would include  drive-ups in my own privately owned car) THEN - i feel 
discriminated  against. 

 you might be interested in the 2 exceptions - a place of business  who's 
profit is at least 90% from the sale of tobacco (and there are no such  stores as 
that since the state has put such a huge tax on tobacco that  everyone gets 
ther's out of state).  and this is the one you'd be  interested in:  nursing 
homes - except the smoking must be done in their  own private room.  now, the 
nursing homes are having a fit about that  because they had designated smoking 
areas where they could keep an eye on the  residents.  now, they can't do that. 
 see, these lawmakers just make  laws - they don't care about consequences.  
when i was working for the  census bureau one of our surveys was on smoking.  
i did this for 17 years  and the responses never changed - except for the real 
fanatics (on both sides)  - almost everyone answered that smoking should be 
allowed in certain areas of  restaurants and in most areas of taverns.  
carole

-------Original  Message-------

From: _LCR at rochester.rr.com_ (mailto:LCR at rochester.rr.com) 
Date: 1/7/2008 5:09:27  PM
To: _Mishmash_ (mailto:mishmash at mishmash.net) 
Subject: Re: [Mishmash] Can  it really be?????

My space is just a term that I use for the air i'm breathing  in, which is a 
few feet from my body.

I have walked off from cigarette smoke and left their space,  not offended 
though.  

I work on the administration side of  a retirement  home so our laws are 
probably tougher on smoking than some places.  Half  the building is independent, 
people just renting apartments with 24 hour  reception duty with meals 
furnished in the dining room if they choose, the  other half are apartments with 
people who need a little more care, and  have a nurse and caregivers, although not 
bad enough for a nursing home, and  we are governed by the New York Health 
department in that section.  We  have a few on oxygen so therefore our rules are 
even tougher than some  companies.  It is not an employer decision in my work 
place it goes much  higher. 

I have friends who smoke, it's their choice.  I don't  go berserk if someone 
lights one up.  If it begins to bother me I move  away.  I think it's bad for 
your health and those around them,  but as I said it's their choice.

There has to be a compromise of some kind or smoker's and  non-smokers would 
go at each other's throats.  Your smoke does effect  others, and others 
object.  Thus a compromise has to be reached.  I  think you and other smokers do not 
agree that the smoker's should be  banned to another area and I agree that 
does not look like a fairness to  smokers but it's the only way that works now, 
most employers now and  public places do not want cigarette smoke in their 
building and the  majority now are non-smokers. 

  I think employer's should take care of it, I agree  with you on the 
statement that it shouldn't be a law issue.

Carol and Hugh are hilarious today. :-)

Linda

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  _Carole_ (mailto:cbower at frontiernet.net)  
To: _Mishmash_ (mailto:mishmash at mishmash.net)  
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:20  PM
Subject: Re: [Mishmash] Can it really  be?????

i just returned from bingo.  i was offended by all the very  over weight and 
sloppy women who were sharing my space.  every  time one of them passed me 
they ran into me because they were taking up  more than their allotted space.  i 
think they should be banned from  public places.  they are offensive and are 
certainly in poor  health because of their fat.  i also think they should stay 
15 feet  away form me as quite a few of them smell badly because it's hard  to 
keep fat folds clean and if they stay 15' away they won't be  always bumping 
into me with the possibility of knocking me down and  harming me.
carole

-------Original  Message-------

From: _Hugh Gigante_ (mailto:hgigante at optonline.net) 
Date: 1/6/2008  3:21:15 PM
To: _Mishmash_ (mailto:mishmash at mishmash.net) 
Subject: Re:  [Mishmash] Can it really be?????

I was with you until the compromise comment.

I agree with that . . . smokers and non-smokers should be able to  share the
public space they both own.

But what compromise in private places? Since when does someone have  to
compromise with people he or she shares nothing with?

Smoking laws are nothing but freedom restrictions. You can talk and  make
good cases for the benefits, dangers, and whatever about the habit,  but the
minute you let some goverment hack tell you what to do with private  assets,
you're on the road to a socialist state.

An easy test of your agreement with the concept is to pick another  legal
activity, and replace it in any non-smoking statement (like the  sign that
says "smoking prohibited within 15 feet". If, with the replacement,  the
statement makes sense it will for smoking. If not . . .

Hugh
----- Original Message -----
From: <_LCR at rochester.rr.com_ (mailto:LCR at rochester.rr.com) >
To: "Mishmash" <_mishmash at mishmash.net_ (mailto:mishmash at mishmash.net) >
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Mishmash] Can it really be?????

>
> I am a non-smoker and the smoke chokes me when someone smokes  in my
> "space"
> but no matter how we feel about smoking, it's still a person's  individual
> right to choose whether they smoke or not.
>
>  I believe that most employers are concerned with  health issues and
> insurance costs in making some of their  decisions.  If you smoke you can
> be
> sure that you will have health problems in the  future.  I believe that
> most
> people who smoke know that, and are aware and it's their  choice that they
> continue to smoke.
>
> I think that Hugh sees it as a non-government issue and the  point of not
> taking more of his rights away, and it is his  choice.  Looking at it from
> both sides, Hugh has his right to smoke if he chooses too, I  have my right
> not to be subjected to cigarette smoke.  So a  compromise should be worked
> out. Because of the health issue, employers opt for the  smokers to be
> outside  and

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