[Mishmash] Free American Health Care NOW!

Thu Jul 23 19:06:42 CDT 2009

Hugh, 

    I think the U.S. voter is war weary.  That is largely what caused this phenomenon.  I just hope we are going to learn from it.  

    You are indeed correct about the government being the transfer agent.  No one seems to understand that.  

    There is no way the government is going to turn GM or Chrysler around.  Ford may have a chance because they've elected to go their own way.  

    I don't quite agree with you on the comparison of union made cars and cars not made by unions.  I find that the union ones are generally of lower quality.  I admit I'm prejudiced because I had three new American cards (two Ford Mustangs and a Chevrolet Cavalier) and had a lot of problems with them that I've never had with a Honda.  

    On your last line, I basically agree with you.  

    Regards, 

                                                                Fred 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Hugh Gigante 
  To: 'Mishmash' 
  Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 6:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [Mishmash] Free American Health Care NOW!

  I don't have much faith in the US voter these days . . . I think we're seeing the results of years of social promotion in our schools show up in the voting booth!

  Try to ask someone simple questions . . . questions like "where will the money come from" . . . and you get "the government" as an answer. Nobody seems to understand the government is a transfer agent for funds . . . it can't give something out unless it collects is somewhere else.

  The GM bailout is an example of government at its worst. The truth is GM is a poorly managed fairly good company strapped with foolish labor rules and a bunch of very outdated factories. If nobody had stepped in failing plants would have disappeared but the good ones would have survived . . . maybe not as part of GM, but as part of someone.

  Put a GM built car next to a similar one built without the union and labor rules GM has to deal with. Everything else is just about the same (parts, material, etc.) The only difference is the profit the other company makes winds up passing through GM on its way to someone who was laid off 10 years ago!

  To bring this back to the topic, the decision by the Washington zoo crowd to bail out GM was flawed by a "government can do things better" mentality coupled with "the average voter is stupid so we have to be Mama". 

  Obama is a fraud. The rest of the fools in DC are . . . fools.

  Hugh

  From: mishmash-bounces at mishmash.net [mailto:mishmash-bounces at mishmash.net] On Behalf Of Fred Atkinson
  Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 9:18 AM
  To: Mishmash
  Subject: Re: [Mishmash] Free American Health Care NOW!

  Hugh, 

     I wholeheartedly agree.  

      I'd call it a 'Hate Bush' approach by the liberal media.  

      You're on track about hsi goal.  Americans are wising up to this.  That's why is popularity is starting to go down the tube.  His numbers are dwindling.  

      I think that by the 2010 election that people are going to have had to stomach him so much that they are going to start to vote Repbulican to take away the unlimited power he seems to have through the Democrats.  But even some Democrats are having doubts.  

      We have a fair chance of him failing at this health care bill.  If that happens, it will be wonderful for two reasons.  One will be that we avert a socialized health care system.  The other will be that it will greatly limit him because he'll lose a lot of support for failing to pass that bill.  

      I believe that the longer that Congress takes to take a vote on that bill, the less likely it will pass.  Let's hope they keep putting it off as his numbers continue to dwindle.  

      When is everyone going to wake up and see that this cute little imp everyone likes so much is actually a devil in disguise?  I see him for what he is and I think most of you do as well.  

      Couldn't we get the other Bush to take over for him (sarcasm) so we can send him packing home to Obama.  

      If he passes the bill, it's only going to be a matter of a short time before everyone is going to see what a disaster this will become.  Either way, he will be very unpopular by 2012.  I don't believe he'll make a second term.  

      But I hope we get him out in the next election without taking on socialized medicine in the process.  

      Regards, 

                                                                    Fred 

    I believe the second attack on the US was the 2008 election . . . that we put more danger in the white house than we experienced on 9/11.

    I also believe the republicans elected this cast of fools with their "It is John's turn" approach.

    The truth is the goal is a socialist democracy on the order of Sweden and a leveling of the income levels through transfer programs that simply move money around to those who didn't earn it.

    Our only hope is delay and at least one house of Congress changing hands in 2010 so the folks in the DC zoo can start fighting each other again and leave us alone.

    Hugh

    From: mishmash-bounces at mishmash.net [mailto:mishmash-bounces at mishmash.net] On Behalf Of Fred Atkinson
    Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:08 PM
    To: Mishmash
    Subject: Re: [Mishmash] Free American Health Care NOW!

    Carole, 

        I have to admit that I am with you on that one hundred per cent.  

        He is a disaster that is already happening.  

        I get the impression he is losing steam.  He was demanding that they pass his legislation before recess.  The longer they wait, the more likely I we will have that the bill may be defeated.  

        Go to your Tea Parties, send printed photos of tea bags to your Congressional representatives and senators.  

        Don't just stand back.  Do what you can.  

        Regards, 

                                                                        Fred 

      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: Carole 

      To: Mishmash 

      Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:58 PM

      Subject: Re: [Mishmash] Free American Health Care NOW!

            if only we could get the rest of the country to understand this.  if only we would have been able to explain to the idiots that voted for this man BEFORE they cast their ballots.  there are many who did vote for him who are beginning to see the light -  afraid it is to late.  i fear for my country - i fear for my children and grandchildren who will have to pay for this mess obama and pelosi have made (and will make) much more than i will.   

            "this is the greatest country in the world, we must change it."

            -------Original Message-------

            From: Susan Flewelling

            Date: 7/22/2009 6:11:41 PM

            To: Mishmash

            Subject: Re: [Mishmash] Free American Health Care NOW!

            At 07:38 AM 7/22/09, you wrote:

            > 

            >Please take a minute to sign this petition keeping Government control OUT of healthcare.

            ><http://www.freeourhealthcarenow.com/>http://www.freeourhealthcarenow.com/

            We're sitting up here in Canada watching the United States sink into the mire of socialism - depending on whether on not you've been indoctrinated with the socialist mantra, it is a good or bad thing - I see it as being very bad and the beginning of the end of your democratic principles -

            After the war a socialist government under Clement ATlee was elected in Britain - their socialist policies were so entrenched before they were defeated at the polls, subsequent governments were never able to turn back that tide.

            Socialism is not a good principle for anyone with a grain of independence or ambition - it sucks everything out - everything  but dependence on government hand outs everytime there's a bump in the road -

            I feel so bad for those of you resisiting this - you've got a socialist in the White House and he's just getting started.  someone wasn' minding the store!

            Susan

            Canada

            PLEASE JOIN OUR DIABETIC PETS CAUSE ON FACEBOOK:

            http://apps.facebook.com/causes/304845?m=cc366e79

            _______________________________________________

            Mishmash mailing list

            Mishmash at mishmash.net

            http://mishmash.net/mailman/listinfo/mishmash_mishmash.net

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

      _______________________________________________
      Mishmash mailing list
      Mishmash at mishmash.net
      http://mishmash.net/mailman/listinfo/mishmash_mishmash.net

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    _______________________________________________
    Mishmash mailing list
    Mishmash at mishmash.net
    http://mishmash.net/mailman/listinfo/mishmash_mishmash.net

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  _______________________________________________
  Mishmash mailing list
  Mishmash at mishmash.net
  http://mishmash.net/mailman/listinfo/mishmash_mishmash.net
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://mishmash.net/pipermail/mishmash_mishmash.net/attachments/20090723/cbd16487/attachment-0001.html>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: image/gif
Size: 41807 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mishmash.net/pipermail/mishmash_mishmash.net/attachments/20090723/cbd16487/attachment-0001.gif>